Very clear and helpful I found at many levels. The 'just note gone' piece is quite timely as well, since I periodically work in the area of death, dying and bereavement. The realization that cessation does not equal annihilation has profound implications for how we live and how we die.
with metta
shin (sorry, I didn't steal Shinzen's name--it's part of an old dharma name : )
Hello Everyone
I'm a little late in arriving, but I am also having difficulties accessing the film feed. May I ask someone to help me please? Many thanks.
Hi SallyB,
Without further information on what troubles you're having, it's difficult for us to help via the comments section here. If you contact our support services (support@tricycle.com or 1-800-873-9871), they will be able to help. Hope you can watch the videos soon!
Best wishes,
Emma Varvaloucas
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I was wondering the same thing, I am guessing that there will be a new teaching once a week for a total of 4... I am also wondering if it is possible to download and save the video teachings and guided meditations.
Hi Dan & Bujinin,
Here's the retreat schedule (there's 6 teachings plus 6 meditation videos this month instead of the usual 4 teachings; each of the teachings listed below comes with a meditation video):
September 4th - Session 1 - Mindfulness: The Awareness. How mindful awareness is defined in various systems.
September 10th - Session 2 - Mindfulness: The Practices. How mindful awareness is cultivated in various systems.
September 17th - Session 3 - Mindfulness: The Path (Part 1). How mindful awareness reduces suffering and elevates fulfillment.
September 20th - Session 4 - Mindfulness: The Path (Part 2). How mindful awareness facilitates self knowledge, positive habit change, and a spirit of love and service.
September 24th - Session 5 - Mindfulness: The Translation. Can the English word mindfulness be used to translate different Buddhist concepts?
September 27th - Session 6 - Mindfulness: The Possible Revolution. Forces that could facilitate and forces that could impede a global mindfulness revolution.
Bujinin, the video teachings and guided meditations will be available on the Tricycle site indefinitely, so you will always be able to watch them as long as you have Internet and are a sustaining or supporting member. Unfortunately, it's not possible to download the videos.
Hi Zipporah,
So sorry to hear that you are having trouble. What happens when you press the play button—does it send you an Error message from Vimeo? If so, this happens to me once in awhile. Usually if I refresh the page a couple of times and try again, it starts to work (after a couple tries). If this doesn't help, I'm afraid that the problem is beyond my basic computer knowledge, so the best thing to do in that case is to contact our support services at support@tricycle.com or 1-800-873-9871. Please let us know if you still can't get the video working.
Best wishes,
Emma
tricycle.com
Thank you, Shinzen, and an observation: When I followed your direction of bringing my attention to the nasal area, I started to get a headache. I decided to switch it to observing the coming in and the going out of the breath at the stomach and that felt much better. I don't know if anyone else had that experience, but I thought I'd mention it since it could help others. Also, I noticed that attending to the stomach area made my sitting posture feel much more stable. Carole
Reply by Discussion LeaderShinzen Young on September 7, 2012, 6:12 pm
Hi Carole,
Different people may prefer different locations for breath focus.
Some people prefer to focus at the nostrils because it can develop a sharp, laser-like concentration. Also it can lead to interesting experiences known as nimitta. However, other people find focusing on the nostrils to be problematic, either because it seems too subtle and limiting or because it causes tension/headache, as you experienced.
Some people like to focus on the breath at the abdomen or chest. They find that approach more mellow and grounding, as you reported. On the other hand, some people find that if they focus on breath in those core body regions, they start interfering with the breath or begin to experience anxiety around their body’s physiology.
For the above reasons, many mindfulness teachers (including myself) give people the option to focus in whatever way seems comfortable and natural.
On the other hand, some teachers insist upon a “one-size-fits-all” approach. That’s usually because there’s something about their overall system that makes a certain form of breath practice more appropriate than others. For example, if the ultimate goal is to scan attention through the body detecting subtle phenomena, then initially focusing at the nostrils makes sense because it develops a laser-like, high-resolution flavor of concentration. This is the usual approach in the U Ba Khin tradition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba_Khin). On the other hand, if you’re interested in penetrating whatever salient sensory experience might come up (but defaulting to an easily detected and soothing sensation when nothing else is salient), then focusing at the abdomen makes sense, as is done in the Mahasi tradition. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahasi_Sayadaw).
Literally dozens of distinct ways of working with the breath have evolved within the historical sweep of the Three Vehicles. Find what works for you. But if a teacher asks you to do it in a certain way, you have the right to ask why. Any competent teacher should be both able to and happy to explain the underlying reasons. (This is a general principle applicable to any questions about techniques.)
Thank you Emma, the videos both worked today (September 5th) I re-watched the teaching and was able to experience a most enjoyable guided meditation. I did call the 800 number and they said they were unaware of any difficulties with the website. Happily, what ever the situation, it seems to have corrected itself...
Again Thank you Shinzen for your clear and concise thoughts and explanations. The guided meditation was well done, the wind sound was pleasant. I eagerly look forward to the rest of the sessions.
Thank you Shinzen for your clarity, wisdom, and calm presence. Pardon me for a psychoanalytic and also, perhaps, zen question. When you were talking about how the habit of mindfulness takes over so that there is no observing self left, I immediately thought that in that case there is an unconscious observing self, but still an observing self. I think this is an area where psychoanalytic thought has something to contribute to the Buddhist perspective.
In eagerness for the next teaching,
Raja
Reply by Discussion LeaderShinzen Young on September 6, 2012, 5:19 pm
Hi Raja,
It is sometimes said that getting the right questions is at least as important as getting the right answers. So the good news is, you’ve asked a good question. The bad news is, I don’t think I’m capable of really answering it. By really answer, I mean give an answer that would satisfy a hard-nosed scientist. So the best that I can do is to offer you two things. The first is a conjecture that I cannot back up with specific and detailed evidence. The second is a claim for which I have experiential confidence (but which to many may seem enigmatic, if not utterly irrelevant).
First, the conjecture:
It is probably the case that consciousness arises sequentially, i.e., preceding each conscious experience, there are many layers of subliminal/subconscious/unconscious processing. At what point and under what conditions do we say that a percipient self is present?
Part of the problem lies in the enormous ambiguity of the word “self.” If by self we mean sakkayaditthi, the perception of “self as thing,” then self is dependent on intrinsic nebulosity and viscosity in the underlying neuronal circuits. On the other hand, it’s entirely possible that there are more primitive levels of “self” that are not perceived as a thing. A beetle probably has some sense of self but I doubt that it involves any perception of substantive personhood or fundamental separateness.
So much for conjecture. Now for what I’m confidence of:
The Ultimate True Observer is Goneness. (For details, check out Chapter 8 Section 5 “Just Note Gone” pp. 95-99 of my manual http://www.shinzen.org/Retreat%20Reading/FiveWays.pdf or my article “The Power of Gone” in the current issue of Tricycle.)
Hi Raja,
I will quote Ken WIlber, who I believe sums this up nicely:
"You can already feel some of this Great Liberation in that, as you rest in the ease of witnessing this moment, you already feel that you are free from the suffocating constriction of mere objects, mere feelings, mere thoughts – they all come and go, but you are that vast, free, empty, open Witness of them all, untouched by their torments and tortures.
This is actually the profound discovery of… the pure divine Self, the formless Witness, causal nothingness, the vast Emptiness in which the entire world arises, stays a bit, and passes. And you are That. You are not the body, not the ego, not nature, not thoughts, not this, not that – you are a vast Emptiness, Freedom, Release, and Liberation." - Ken Wilber, No Boundary
The first video on mindfulness was very helpful. I appreciated the explanations of various definitions and have often wondered about the "arising of the past" and whether that could be considered relevant. Thank you for the thoroughness of your approach.
Reply by Discussion LeaderShinzen Young on September 6, 2012, 5:21 pm
Hi Ranni,
Here’s what I can say about the arising of the past: As a sensory event, it always happens in the present. Moreover, it can only come up through one or a combination of mental image, mental talk, and emotional-type body sensation. (See Chapter 1 “The Way of Thoughts and Emotions” pp. 21-24 of my manual http://www.shinzen.org/Retreat%20Reading/FiveWays.pdf.)
If an arising of the past is greeted with deep mindfulness, it will be experienced Completely. It is then simply the razor’s edge of the absolute Now—paper thin and feather light. In other words, it no longer extends into time at all! That’s a moment of freedom. Freedom not only from the past, but from the future and the (relative) present. In other words, freedom from time itself. For most of us, this is going to take a lot of practice but it’s certainly worth investing the time. As T.S. Eliot says “only through time, time is conquered.” : )
Reply by Supernaut1978 on September 4, 2012, 9:00 am
Thank you for your clear and concise definition of Mindfulness. When you've been doing this practice for a little awhile it's helpful to have definitions like yours for yourself as well as for others. I also enjoyed the mindfulness meditation video, especially with the sounds of the wind through the trees, very peaceful. I look forward to the rest of this months teachings.
Metta,
Lex
After watching the first video, I attempted to watch the guided meditation and got a "sorry" message, subsequent attempts to view the 1st video resulted in the same "sorry" message??? I attempted to use a different browser (explorer rather than fire fox) and couldn't log on to Tricycle at all.
Hi Bujinin,
We're sorry to hear that you're having trouble with the retreat! I've forwarded your comment and email address on to our support services. In the future, the best way to handle technical difficulties is for you to contact them directly via either email (support@tricycle.com) or phone (1-800-873-9871). They will be able to handle your concerns promptly.
Best wishes,
Emma Varvaloucas
tricycle.com
I have enjoyed the attention to clarification of the definition of mindfulness. An operationalizable definition works for me, concentration, sensory clarity and equanimity. I look forward to further discussions on each of these components, exploration explanation of practices that enhance each of them and allow them to work together and of course a deeper understanding the whole concept.
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Very clear and helpful I found at many levels. The 'just note gone' piece is quite timely as well, since I periodically work in the area of death, dying and bereavement. The realization that cessation does not equal annihilation has profound implications for how we live and how we die.
with metta
shin (sorry, I didn't steal Shinzen's name--it's part of an old dharma name : )
Hi Shin,
Glad you found that article useful. Apropos of your work with death, dying and bereavement, here are a couple resources you might check out.
http://shinzenyoung.blogspot.com/2012/01/life-coach-death-coach.html
http://youtu.be/gDeMbojj8-E
Keep up the good work,
Shinzen
Hello Everyone
I'm a little late in arriving, but I am also having difficulties accessing the film feed. May I ask someone to help me please? Many thanks.
Hi SallyB,
Without further information on what troubles you're having, it's difficult for us to help via the comments section here. If you contact our support services (support@tricycle.com or 1-800-873-9871), they will be able to help. Hope you can watch the videos soon!
Best wishes,
Emma Varvaloucas
tricycle.com
Hi, Is there a schedule, or is this catch as catch can?
I was wondering the same thing, I am guessing that there will be a new teaching once a week for a total of 4... I am also wondering if it is possible to download and save the video teachings and guided meditations.
bujinin
Hi Dan & Bujinin,
Here's the retreat schedule (there's 6 teachings plus 6 meditation videos this month instead of the usual 4 teachings; each of the teachings listed below comes with a meditation video):
September 4th - Session 1 - Mindfulness: The Awareness. How mindful awareness is defined in various systems.
September 10th - Session 2 - Mindfulness: The Practices. How mindful awareness is cultivated in various systems.
September 17th - Session 3 - Mindfulness: The Path (Part 1). How mindful awareness reduces suffering and elevates fulfillment.
September 20th - Session 4 - Mindfulness: The Path (Part 2). How mindful awareness facilitates self knowledge, positive habit change, and a spirit of love and service.
September 24th - Session 5 - Mindfulness: The Translation. Can the English word mindfulness be used to translate different Buddhist concepts?
September 27th - Session 6 - Mindfulness: The Possible Revolution. Forces that could facilitate and forces that could impede a global mindfulness revolution.
Bujinin, the video teachings and guided meditations will be available on the Tricycle site indefinitely, so you will always be able to watch them as long as you have Internet and are a sustaining or supporting member. Unfortunately, it's not possible to download the videos.
Best wishes,
Emma Varvaloucas
tricycle.com
Emma, I've logged in, but cannot access the guided retreat. I get a picture, but it does not turn on. Please advise. Thank you,
Zipporah
Hi Zipporah,
So sorry to hear that you are having trouble. What happens when you press the play button—does it send you an Error message from Vimeo? If so, this happens to me once in awhile. Usually if I refresh the page a couple of times and try again, it starts to work (after a couple tries). If this doesn't help, I'm afraid that the problem is beyond my basic computer knowledge, so the best thing to do in that case is to contact our support services at support@tricycle.com or 1-800-873-9871. Please let us know if you still can't get the video working.
Best wishes,
Emma
tricycle.com
Thanks so much!
Thanks for your quick replies to folks for troubleshooting, Emma!
Thank you, Shinzen, and an observation: When I followed your direction of bringing my attention to the nasal area, I started to get a headache. I decided to switch it to observing the coming in and the going out of the breath at the stomach and that felt much better. I don't know if anyone else had that experience, but I thought I'd mention it since it could help others. Also, I noticed that attending to the stomach area made my sitting posture feel much more stable. Carole
Hi Carole,
Different people may prefer different locations for breath focus.
Some people prefer to focus at the nostrils because it can develop a sharp, laser-like concentration. Also it can lead to interesting experiences known as nimitta. However, other people find focusing on the nostrils to be problematic, either because it seems too subtle and limiting or because it causes tension/headache, as you experienced.
Some people like to focus on the breath at the abdomen or chest. They find that approach more mellow and grounding, as you reported. On the other hand, some people find that if they focus on breath in those core body regions, they start interfering with the breath or begin to experience anxiety around their body’s physiology.
For the above reasons, many mindfulness teachers (including myself) give people the option to focus in whatever way seems comfortable and natural.
On the other hand, some teachers insist upon a “one-size-fits-all” approach. That’s usually because there’s something about their overall system that makes a certain form of breath practice more appropriate than others. For example, if the ultimate goal is to scan attention through the body detecting subtle phenomena, then initially focusing at the nostrils makes sense because it develops a laser-like, high-resolution flavor of concentration. This is the usual approach in the U Ba Khin tradition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba_Khin). On the other hand, if you’re interested in penetrating whatever salient sensory experience might come up (but defaulting to an easily detected and soothing sensation when nothing else is salient), then focusing at the abdomen makes sense, as is done in the Mahasi tradition. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahasi_Sayadaw).
Literally dozens of distinct ways of working with the breath have evolved within the historical sweep of the Three Vehicles. Find what works for you. But if a teacher asks you to do it in a certain way, you have the right to ask why. Any competent teacher should be both able to and happy to explain the underlying reasons. (This is a general principle applicable to any questions about techniques.)
All the best,
Shinzen
Thank you Emma, the videos both worked today (September 5th) I re-watched the teaching and was able to experience a most enjoyable guided meditation. I did call the 800 number and they said they were unaware of any difficulties with the website. Happily, what ever the situation, it seems to have corrected itself...
Again Thank you Shinzen for your clear and concise thoughts and explanations. The guided meditation was well done, the wind sound was pleasant. I eagerly look forward to the rest of the sessions.
bujinin
Hi Bujinin, glad it all worked out!
Thank you Shinzen for your clarity, wisdom, and calm presence. Pardon me for a psychoanalytic and also, perhaps, zen question. When you were talking about how the habit of mindfulness takes over so that there is no observing self left, I immediately thought that in that case there is an unconscious observing self, but still an observing self. I think this is an area where psychoanalytic thought has something to contribute to the Buddhist perspective.
In eagerness for the next teaching,
Raja
Hi Raja,
It is sometimes said that getting the right questions is at least as important as getting the right answers. So the good news is, you’ve asked a good question. The bad news is, I don’t think I’m capable of really answering it. By really answer, I mean give an answer that would satisfy a hard-nosed scientist. So the best that I can do is to offer you two things. The first is a conjecture that I cannot back up with specific and detailed evidence. The second is a claim for which I have experiential confidence (but which to many may seem enigmatic, if not utterly irrelevant).
First, the conjecture:
It is probably the case that consciousness arises sequentially, i.e., preceding each conscious experience, there are many layers of subliminal/subconscious/unconscious processing. At what point and under what conditions do we say that a percipient self is present?
Part of the problem lies in the enormous ambiguity of the word “self.” If by self we mean sakkayaditthi, the perception of “self as thing,” then self is dependent on intrinsic nebulosity and viscosity in the underlying neuronal circuits. On the other hand, it’s entirely possible that there are more primitive levels of “self” that are not perceived as a thing. A beetle probably has some sense of self but I doubt that it involves any perception of substantive personhood or fundamental separateness.
So much for conjecture. Now for what I’m confidence of:
The Ultimate True Observer is Goneness. (For details, check out Chapter 8 Section 5 “Just Note Gone” pp. 95-99 of my manual http://www.shinzen.org/Retreat%20Reading/FiveWays.pdf or my article “The Power of Gone” in the current issue of Tricycle.)
Keep up the good work,
Shinzen
Hi Raja,
I will quote Ken WIlber, who I believe sums this up nicely:
"You can already feel some of this Great Liberation in that, as you rest in the ease of witnessing this moment, you already feel that you are free from the suffocating constriction of mere objects, mere feelings, mere thoughts – they all come and go, but you are that vast, free, empty, open Witness of them all, untouched by their torments and tortures.
This is actually the profound discovery of… the pure divine Self, the formless Witness, causal nothingness, the vast Emptiness in which the entire world arises, stays a bit, and passes. And you are That. You are not the body, not the ego, not nature, not thoughts, not this, not that – you are a vast Emptiness, Freedom, Release, and Liberation." - Ken Wilber, No Boundary
Thank you. This presentation on the teachings of mindfulness has been very helpful.
The first video on mindfulness was very helpful. I appreciated the explanations of various definitions and have often wondered about the "arising of the past" and whether that could be considered relevant. Thank you for the thoroughness of your approach.
Hi Ranni,
Here’s what I can say about the arising of the past: As a sensory event, it always happens in the present. Moreover, it can only come up through one or a combination of mental image, mental talk, and emotional-type body sensation. (See Chapter 1 “The Way of Thoughts and Emotions” pp. 21-24 of my manual http://www.shinzen.org/Retreat%20Reading/FiveWays.pdf.)
If an arising of the past is greeted with deep mindfulness, it will be experienced Completely. It is then simply the razor’s edge of the absolute Now—paper thin and feather light. In other words, it no longer extends into time at all! That’s a moment of freedom. Freedom not only from the past, but from the future and the (relative) present. In other words, freedom from time itself. For most of us, this is going to take a lot of practice but it’s certainly worth investing the time. As T.S. Eliot says “only through time, time is conquered.” : )
(Check out p. 5 here: https://www2.bc.edu/john-g-boylan/files/fourquartets.pdf and TS Eliot himself reading it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xDpueV1U8k)
All the best,
Shinzen
great start! what i love about shinzen is his "no bells and whistles" down-to-earth, well structured approach and way of teaching.
Thank you for your clear and concise definition of Mindfulness. When you've been doing this practice for a little awhile it's helpful to have definitions like yours for yourself as well as for others. I also enjoyed the mindfulness meditation video, especially with the sounds of the wind through the trees, very peaceful. I look forward to the rest of this months teachings.
Metta,
Lex
After watching the first video, I attempted to watch the guided meditation and got a "sorry" message, subsequent attempts to view the 1st video resulted in the same "sorry" message??? I attempted to use a different browser (explorer rather than fire fox) and couldn't log on to Tricycle at all.
HELP
truhn@comcast.net
bujinin
Hi Bujinin,
We're sorry to hear that you're having trouble with the retreat! I've forwarded your comment and email address on to our support services. In the future, the best way to handle technical difficulties is for you to contact them directly via either email (support@tricycle.com) or phone (1-800-873-9871). They will be able to handle your concerns promptly.
Best wishes,
Emma Varvaloucas
tricycle.com
I have enjoyed the attention to clarification of the definition of mindfulness. An operationalizable definition works for me, concentration, sensory clarity and equanimity. I look forward to further discussions on each of these components, exploration explanation of practices that enhance each of them and allow them to work together and of course a deeper understanding the whole concept.
Thank you for a clearly defined beginning.
bujinin