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The Scientific Buddha
Why do we ask that Buddhism be compatible with science?
According to Buddhist doctrine, there can be only one buddha for each historical age. A new buddha appears in the world only when the teachings of the previous buddha have been completely forgotten, with no remnant—a text, a statue, the ruins of a pagoda, or even a reference in a dictionary—remaining. Because the teachings of Gautama Buddha, the historical Buddha—that is, our Buddha—remain present in the world, we have no need for a new buddha. But in the 19th century, a new buddha suddenly appeared in the world, a buddha who is not mentioned in any of the prophecies. What he taught is said to be compatible with modern science, and so I call him the Scientific Buddha.
Today, the Scientific Buddha is often mistaken for Gautama Buddha, the historical Buddha, the real Buddha. But they are not the same. And this case of mistaken identity has particular consequences for those who seek to understand and practice the teachings of Gautama Buddha.

Some 2,500 years after the lifetime of the historical Buddha, the following quotation about Buddhism was ascribed to Albert Einstein: “The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend a personal God and avoid dogmas and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual, as a meaningful unity. If there is any religion that would cope with modern scientific needs, it would be Buddhism.” This statement cannot be located in any of Einstein’s writings. But there is something about Buddhism, and about the Buddha, that caused someone to ascribe these words to Einstein. And since the time when Einstein didn’t say this, intimations of deep connections between Buddhism and science have continued, right up until today. In any given month, such publications as The New York Times and The Washington Post report on clinical studies investigating the affinity of Buddhism and science, particularly neurobiology.
I had once imagined that claims for the compatibility of Buddhism and science derived from the 1960s, gaining their first popular expression in Fritjof Capra’s 1975 best seller The Tao of Physics. The claims did derive from the ’60s, but I was off by a century. Statements about the compatibility of Buddhism and science were being made in the 1860s—in Europe and America during the Victorian period, as Buddhism became fashionable in intellectual circles, and at the same time in Asia, as Buddhist thinkers were defending themselves against the attacks of Christian missionaries. Thus, to understand what the compatibility of Buddhism and science means today, it is necessary to understand what it meant a century and a half ago.
Buddhists first encountered science, perhaps ironically, in the guise of Christianity. In missionary attacks on Buddhism, from Francis Xavier in Japan in the 16th century to Spence Hardy in Sri Lanka in the 19th century, Christianity is proclaimed as superior to Buddhism in part because it possesses the scientific knowledge to accurately describe the world, something that Buddhism lacked. For the missionaries, then, science was not an opponent of religion, or at least of the true religion, but its ally. Science would serve as a tool of the missionary and as a reason for conversion. Later, science would be portrayed as the product of a more generalized “European civilization,” something that this civilization would take around the world. The vehicle for that journey was colonialism.
The efforts by Buddhist elites of the late 19th and early 20th centuries to counter these claims and to argue that, on the contrary, Buddhism is the truly scientific religion (an argument that they seem to have eventually won) were directly precipitated by the Christian attacks. In a sense, the Buddhists wrested the weapon of science from the hands of the Christians and turned it against them. Whether to counter the missionary’s charge that Buddhism was superstition and idolatry, or to counter the colonialist’s claim that the Asian was prone to fanciful flights of mind and meaningless rituals of body, science proved the ideal weapon for the Buddhists. It was not, they argued, Christianity but Buddhism that was in fact the scientific religion, the religion best suited for modernity, not just in Asia but throughout the world. Buddhism was the opposite of Christianity. Christianity has a creator God, and Buddhism has no God; Christianity has faith, Buddhism has reason; Christ is divine, the Buddha is human. And it was this human, this Asian, this Buddha, who knew millennia ago what the European was just beginning to discover.
Some even went so far as to declare that Buddhism was not a religion at all, but was itself a science, a science of the mind. The implications of such a statement become evident in light of Victorian theories of social evolution, which saw the human race progressing from the state of primitive superstition to religion and then to science. As a science, Buddhism—once condemned as a primitive superstition both by European and American missionaries and by Asian modernists—was able to leap from the bottom of the evolutionary scale to the top, bypassing the troublesome category of religion altogether.
For the Buddha to be identified as an ancient sage fully attuned to the findings of modern science, it was necessary that he first be transformed into a figure who differed in many ways from the Buddha who has been revered by Buddhists across Asia over the course of many centuries. The Buddha was first encountered by European missionaries and travelers as but one of many idols, an idol known by many names. It was only in the late 17th century that the conclusion began to be drawn that the various statues seen in Siam, Cathay, Japan, and Ceylon, each with a different name, all represented the same god. And it was not until the early 19th century that it was known with certainty that that god had been a man, and that that man had been born in India. By that time, Buddhism was all but dead in India, and European scholars, many of whom had never met a Buddhist or set foot in Asia, created a new Buddha, a Buddha made from manuscripts. This was the age of the quest for the historical Jesus. European philologists set out on their own quest for the historical Buddha, and they felt they had found him. This Buddha was portrayed as a prince who had renounced his throne, who proclaimed the truth to all who would listen, regardless of their social status, who prescribed a life dedicated to morality, without the need for God. Such a savior held a special appeal to Europeans and Americans in the last half of the 19th century, an appeal only heightened by the fact that unlike Jesus, the Buddha was not a Jew but an Aryan. It was this Buddha, unknown in Asia until the 19th century, who would become the Buddha we know today, and who would become the Scientific Buddha.
In the long history of the discourse of Buddhism and science, what has been meant by Buddhism, as well as its perceived goals, has changed. In the beginning, Buddhism was the original Buddhism postulated by European Orientalists, a Buddhism that then came to be identified with the Theravada traditions of Sri Lanka and Southeast Asia, or at least with their Pali canon. In the period after the Second World War, Buddhism became Zen, especially as it was represented by D. T. Suzuki. During the 1960s and ’70s, Buddhism was often the Madhyamaka philosophy of Nagarjuna and the doctrine of emptiness. Over the past two decades, the Buddhism in dialogue with science has largely been Tibetan Buddhism, a form of Buddhism that just a century ago was regarded as a form of superstition so degenerate that it did not deserve the name Buddhism, but was referred to instead as Lamaism. A century later, the figure once known to Europeans as the Grand Lama of Lhasa, shrouded in mystery for so long, holds annual seminars with some of the leading scientists in the world.
The referent of “science” has also changed. Although quantum physics and cosmology still capture attention in some quarters today, the greatest energy is being directed toward neuroscience, and especially research on meditation. The assertions being made in this domain are qualitatively different from the assertion that the Buddha understood the theory of relativity. At the more recent turn of the century, meditation has become the centerpiece of the Buddhism and science discourse. Experiments are currently being conducted, data are currently being gathered, and that information is being broadly interpreted, with some scientists seeing more in it than others. But if forms of Buddhist meditation are shown to reduce what we today call “stress,” what, if anything, does that mean? Is Buddhism, then, a form of self-help? Has Buddhism always been, in its own way, a self-help movement?
Research on meditation has been conducted to test its benefits for weight loss, for lowering blood pressure, for lowering cholesterol, and for reducing substance abuse. That is, meditation is regarded in these studies as a therapy for stress reduction. Indeed, one of the forms of meditation examined in the federal study is MBSR, Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction, which seeks to induce a form of awareness that focuses on the present moment, observing “the unfolding of experience, moment to moment.”
But is stress reduction a traditional goal of Buddhist meditation? A glimpse at any number of forms of Buddhist meditation suggests that this is not the aim. Take, for example, one of the most common teachings of the Nyingma or “Ancient” sect of Tibetan Buddhism, called the four ways of turning the mind away from samsara (blo ldog rnam bzhi). These are part of the so-called preliminary practices (sngon ’gro), meditations that must be completed in order to receive tantric initiation. Versions of these practices are found among all four of the major sects of Tibetan Buddhism.
The first of these is meditation on the rarity of human birth: how, among the beings that populate the six realms of rebirth, those reborn as humans with access to the Buddha’s teaching are incredibly rare. The second meditation is on the certainty of death and the uncertainty of the time of death, the recognition that one will definitely die, yet the time of death is utterly indefinite. The third preliminary practice is to meditate on the workings of the law of karma, how negative deeds done in the past will always ripen as suffering and how over the beginningless cycle of rebirth each of us has committed countless crimes. The prospect of eternal suffering lies ahead. And what are those sufferings? The fourth meditation is on the faults of samsara, visualizing in detail the tortures of the eight hot hells and the eight cold hells, the four neighboring hells, and the various trifling hells; the horrible hunger and thirst suffered by ghosts; the sufferings of animals, the sufferings of humans that we know so well, even the sufferings of gods. For in Buddhism, the gods also suffer.
The goal of such meditation is to cause one to regard this life as a prisoner regards his or her prison, to cause one to strive to escape from this world with the urgency that a person whose hair is on fire seeks to douse the flames. The goal of such meditation, in other words, is stress induction. This stress is the result of a profound dissatisfaction with the world. Rather than seeking a sense of peaceful satisfaction with the unfolding of experience, the goal of this practice is to produce a state of mind that is highly judgmental, indeed judging this world to be like a prison. This sense of dissatisfaction is regarded as an essential prerequisite for progress on the Buddhist path. Far from seeking to become somehow “nonjudgmental,” the meditator is instructed to judge all the objects of ordinary experience as scarred by three marks: impermanence, suffering, and no self.
With that prerequisite in place, the Buddhist practitioner embarks on a path intended not to reduce stress or lower cholesterol but to uproot more fundamental forms of suffering. These include what are referred to as the sufferings of pain; in the case of humans, these include birth, aging, sickness, and death, losing friends, gaining enemies, not finding what you want, and finding what you don’t want. And the sufferings of pain are only the most overt. The Buddha also spoke of what he called the sufferings of change. These, in fact, are feelings of pleasure, which, by their very nature, will eventually turn into pain. The claim here is that pleasure and pain are fundamentally different: that pain remains painful unless something is done to alleviate it, while pleasure will naturally turn into pain. The most subtle form of suffering of all is one to which the unenlightened are said to be oblivious: that our minds and bodies are so conditioned that we are always subject to suffering in the next moment.
The history of Buddhism and science is filled with false resonance: the doctrine of karma sounds like the theory of evolution, the Buddhist account of the origin of the cosmos sounds like the Big Bang, the doctrine of emptiness sounds like quantum physics. Immanuel Kant once observed that “since human reason has been enraptured by innumerable objects in various ways for many centuries, it cannot easily fail that for everything new, something old can be found which has some kind of similarity to it.” It is also true that our minds make consistent use of comparison to organize experience. Comparison may be an evolutionary adaptation. But in the case of Buddhism and science, something else seems also to be at work.
This is not to suggest that research on the neurology of meditation should not be conducted. Meditation is the virtuoso practice par excellence of the tradition, and monks have devoted themselves to its practice, and other monks to its theory, for more than two millennia. Clearly something was occurring in their brains, regardless of how it was described, and it would be fascinating to know whether it could be measured somehow. But it would be a great loss should the rich vocabulary and imagery of Buddhist meditation be abandoned in the process of scientific research.
It is often claimed that time in Buddhism is cyclic, but that is not so. Worlds come in and out of existence, in phases of creation, abiding, destruction, and nothingness. Beings wander among the six realms. Yet time moves forward to a time when there is no time, when samsara itself comes to an end. Despite the confusion that seems to surround us, there is movement forward.
This cosmic order is disrupted by the Scientific Buddha. He appeared in the world before the teachings of the buddha of our age, Gautama Buddha, had been forgotten, before his teachings had run their course. The Scientific Buddha was not predicted by a previous buddha, nor did the world await his coming. And yet he has served a useful role. He was born into a world of the colonial subjugation of Asia by Europe. He fought valiantly to win Buddhism its place among the great religions of the world, so that today it is universally respected for its values of reason and nonviolence. We might regard the Scientific Buddha as one of the many “emanation bodies” of the Buddha who have appeared in the world, making use of skillful methods (upaya) to teach a provisional dharma to those temporarily incapable of understanding the true teaching. For this, the Scientific Buddha was stripped of his many magical elements, and his dharma was deracinated. The meditation that he taught was only something called “mindfulness,” and a pale form of that practice. He taught stress reduction, something never taught by any other buddha in the past, for previous buddhas sought to create stress, to destroy complacency, in order to lead us to a state of eternal stress reduction, that state of extinction called nirvana. Having taught his version of the dharma, it is now time for the Scientific Buddha to pass into nirvana.
The Scientific Buddha is a pale reflection of the buddha born in Asia, a buddha who entered our world in order to destroy it. This buddha has no interest in being compatible with science. The relation of Buddhism and science, then, should not be seen as a disagreement over when and how the universe began. It should not be seen, in Stephen Jay Gould’s memorable phrase, as “nonoverlapping magisteria,” with science concerned with fact and religion concerned with morality. It should not be seen, in Buddhist terms, as the two truths, with science concerned with the conventional truth and Buddhism concerned with the ultimate truth. Buddhism and science each have their own narrative, each their own telos. If an ancient religion like Buddhism has anything to offer science, it is not in the facile confirmation of its findings.
One of the most famous statements in Buddhist literature occurs in the Diamond Sutra, where the Buddha says to the monk Subhuti:
In this regard, Subhuti, one who has set out on the bodhisattva path should have the following thought, “I should bring all living beings to final extinction in the realm of extinction without substrate remaining. But after I have brought living beings to final extinction in this way, no living being whatsoever has been brought to extinction.” Why is that? If, Subhuti, the idea of a living being were to occur to a bodhisattva, or the idea of a soul or the idea of a person, he should not be called a bodhisattva. Why is that? There is no dharma called “one who has set out on the bodhisattva path.”
This appeal that we continue to remember the Buddha in the various ways that he has been understood over the long history of Buddhism in Asia is not to suggest that Mount Meru can be found using GPS any more than that Noah’s Ark will ever be unearthed. It is not to claim that Buddhist descriptions of the world carry the same status as the descriptions of the most current scientific research (that is, those descriptions that have not yet been displaced). Nor is it to consign the Buddha to some vague realm of “the ultimate,” conceding all else to “the conventional.” It is to say, instead, that the Buddha, the old Buddha, not the Scientific Buddha, presented a radical challenge to the way we see the world, both the world that was seen two millennia ago and the world that is seen today. What he taught is not different, it is not an alternative, it is the opposite. That the path that we think will lead us to happiness leads instead to sorrow. That what we believe is true is instead false. That what we imagine to be real is unreal. A certain value lies in remembering that challenge from time to time.
To understand oneself, and the world, as merely a process, an extraordinary process of cause and effect, operating without an essence, yet seeing the salvation of others, who also do not exist, as the highest form of human endeavor—this is the challenge presented by that passage from the Diamond Sutra. The scientific verification of this bold claim would seem to lie, like buddhahood itself, far in the future.
Donald S. Lopez, Jr., is the Arthur E. Link Distinguished University Professor of Buddhist and Tibetan Studies at the University of Michigan. He is the author of several books, including Buddhism and Science: A Guide for the Perplexed and Prisoners of Shangri-La: Tibetan Buddhism and the West. This article was adapted from The Scientific Buddha: His Short and Happy Life by Donald S. Lopez, Jr. © 2012. Reprinted with permission of Yale University Press.
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Dualism rears its ugly head. In this universe, at least, there is but one truth and we must remain open until we know it.
http://www.tricycle.com/columns/the-science-enlightenment-quarks-1-boots...
I've opened up this article from our Spring 2000 Issue by Brad Marston, a physics professor at Brown, that offers a similar argument from the viewpoint of a trained scientist. Here are some snippets:
"The equation seems to be: Physics is expressed in complicated mathematical formulas, and Eastern ideas are strange and hard to express in words, so they must be speaking of the same thing. Also it is tempting for teachers to leverage the prestige and power of science to promote a particular religious view. Scientists used to quote scripture. Now religious leaders quote scientific theories! However, we should keep in mind that the Buddha responded with silence when asked metaphysical or cosmological questions."
"The apparent resemblance of the language of quantum physics and of sutras is just that - an appearance. My training as a quantum physicist gives me no special insight into Buddhist practice. For that, daily life and ordinary mind are where the real work begins."
The wonder doesn't stop at science. Geo-politics and global economics further illuminate the interconnectedness of all phenomena.
There can be only one Zeitgeist for each historical time and place. A new Zeitgeist appears in the world only when the previous Zeitgeist has been completely forgotten. During the Renaissance a new Zeitgeist appeared in the world: the Scientific Zeitgeist.
I suspect there are 84,000 Zeitgeists for any arbitrarily-defined moment in historical time and place. My thinking is not limited to "only one."
I was referring to the foundational one that had been shaping Western civilization for 1,500 years prior to the rise of science: Judeo-Christian monotheism.
I am interested that so many writers, of both articles and posts, sound to me as though they think they really know what Gautama Buddha thought and said.
Perhaps this is a rhetorical style, or an unconscious assertion of authority.
I myself think each person, each culture, each school of thought, and each era sheds new light on the subject of the Buddha’s teachings. I am interested in all viewpoints.
I also assume as a working hypothesis that none of us probably knows for sure. I acknowledge no absolute authorities.
This frees me to open to each different perspective to learn something new and thereby continuously broaden and deepen my understanding of what is “dharma.”
This is an intellectual attitude and also a moral one.
It allows me to include everyone’s point of view in my compassionate concern.
"For those of you who want to attain enlightenment, do not study many teachings. Only study one. What is it? It is great compassion. Whoever has great compassion has all Buddha's qualities in his hand." —Lord Buddha
Quoted from a Tricycle article, “Continuous Mind,” not as an “authoritative” scripture, but as one Buddhist statement that grants primacy to compassion.
If science and Buddhism are in conflict, I'll listen to science. One of things I appreciate most about Buddhism lies in it not pushing doctrines. Buddhism is able to accommodate us; including Stephen Batchelor's atheism..
Buddhism has given us in the West a new perspective. The West's gift to Buddhism is the removal of its superstitions by basing Buddhism in science.
Mr. Lopez ideas are anachronism and out of touch with even the likes of the Dalai Lama who accepts science's primacy over Buddhist doctrine.
I've always viewed the "superstitions" in Tibetan Buddhism as archetypes.
As are the virgin mother, the holy spirit, and the demi-god messiah in another religion.
It seems no matter how basic and obvious the point that Buddhism is a religion it still gets lost on lots of people who still go on thinking that Buddhism is somehow related to 'science'. I suppose it comes from armchair 'scientists'.
Bye the way, in case you missed it again, Buddhism is not based in science: it is a religion.
Oh, and did I mention that Buddhism is a religion?
I am a practicing Buddhist and physician, and I find this article dualistic and defensive. I have treated thousands of people with catastrophic illnesses and injuries including multiple sclerosis, severe diabetic polyneuropathy with drastic end-organ changes, multiple amputations ,quadriplegia, etc. Remarkably, recovery depends more on personal belief systems, spirituality, love, coping styles and similar factors much more than degree of illness or injury, medications, and equipment. There is no differentiation of Buddhist and physician, and in attempt to allay the severe suffering in front of me, rather than abstract thoughts of suffering, I incorporate Buddhism, love, compassion, medical skills, and every benefit that we can attain from scientific studies that address the most important aspects of healing. Science, medicine,as well as the use of ' Alternative Treatments ' including acupuncture, meditation, massage, and other such interventions, must be implemented if beneficial results occur. We are trying to relieve suffering and dualistic thinking between Buddhists, scientists, and clinicians must be avoided, as we all have the same goals and there is no reason to believe we have disparate purposes. Neither Buddhism nor science should remain stagnant in this quagmire of dissonance when we must face overwhelming suffering.
I too am a practicing Buddhist. As a nurse, my concern has been with the process of practice--the physical comfort as well as the emotional status of those who suffer. And I applaud you for your attention to "releve suffering" with all the new methods of medical intervention. In the field, I have seen very little of this. Physicians are often more concerned with the testing, interventions without emotional support, and the extension of life at all cost. Death and dying are not seen as normal and unreasonable attempts are taken to continue life. Family and patient suffering can develop into intense challenges way beyond reasonble expectations--while physicians use their interventions to bill the system. I see physician's using science in "quite disparate" ways to the Buddhist practice with the result often inhumane. I think it is time for the "dualistic thinking" to be addressed. Much has been added to the training of physicians but there is still much further to go.
I agree that alleviation of sufferring is a laudable goal for clinicians, and people in general, but I think it takes things too far to suggest that Buddhists, scientists, and clinicians all have the same goals and purposes.
Indeed, many (or most) scientists have no scientific interest in relieving sufferring (e.g. particle physics, mathematics, and astronomy to name a few) and that would include a large proportion of neuroscientists as well.
I think it's also important to keep in mind that 'science' is amoral and so isn't really remaining stagnant in the face of sufferring since 'science' doesn't care about sufferring.
Also, dualistic thinking doesn't get in the way of relieving sufferring and the adoption of Buddhism specifically doesn't help in relieving sufferring. Many of the worlds relief organizations are not Buddhist.
Bravo! In an environment where clinical science seems to dominate healing, and our televisions abound with supposedly funny images of sociopathic doctors terrorising patients and staff while running countless tests, it is wonderful to hear about care and compassion in western medicine.
Apologies - this is an accidental repeat!
The recent pair of articles in Tricycle concerning the relation of
Neuroscience research to meditation seems to have spiraled into a
state of confusion about basic terminology and motivation. The by-line
of the article is "Why do we ask that Buddhism be compatible with
science?" This question is a straw man, since very few scientists,
myself included, feel that "compatibility" between Buddhism and
Science is a goal of our research --- this is a meaningless statement
that has more resonance with 19th century Theosophy than with modern
thinking. A further problem is that current research is largely not
science, in the sense of basic research, but is rather clinical and/or
phenomenological. It is not "Science" but rather "Technology", based
on the perceived benefits of meditation in decreasing chronic stress.
The point that is missed by both authors in Tricycle is that
decreasing stress is not simply a "feel good" attempt, a
trivialization of the dharma, or is like having a massage or going to
a movie. Stress is a significant health problem that may lie at the
basis of a wide variety of disease, including auto-immune diseases,
diabetes, heart disease, arthritis, and most dramatically senescence
--- there is evidence that the aging process itself is related to a
stress related suppression of the enzyme telomerase, and that
meditation, as found recently in the Shamatha project, might be
associated with improved levels of this enzyme. It is of course true
that these studies are based on statistical comparison of populations
and the populations are small. The history of small population
statistical studies in medicine is not very good, to say the least.
Nevertheless, there is preliminary evidence that meditation might be
an effective, low cost intervention for a variety of major health
problems. Is this the same as practicing the dharma? of course not,
and it is not claimed to be. However, the notion that the "Science
Buddha" is a historical misreading is missing the point that the
Buddha was clearly a "Technological Buddha" in the sense that medicine is
a technology whose goal is the relief of suffering -- just as is
meditation. As a neuroscientist (and Buddhist practitioner) working in
this area, I would again emphasize that our current level of
understanding of the neuroscience of higher cognitive and emotional
function is very primitive -- so necessarily the neuroscience of
meditation has very little to do with basic science, and is almost
entirely phenomenological and clinical, in a very early stage of
development. It should be taken with a (large) grain of salt. Having
said this, I find it irresponsible to have two academics in the area
of Buddhist studies, with no scientific experience leading
a somewhat histrionic and ill-informed discussion of these issues.
Tricyle has unfortunately acted as a typical media outlet of
pop-science by allowing an unbalanced and poorly informed discussion
to add confusion to this important area.
Great. But just one problem with your analysis -- a big one -- people vary in their ability to practice Dharma with success. And one of, if not the major factor in that variation is the state of their mind. Put simply, to succeed at Dharma requires a certain degree of what we call "psychological health" in advance, and the techniques for gaining that health are generally not found in Dharma itself. In other words, says the teacher, there are prerequisites for this course (Dharma) -- without them, you have little chance of succeeding. Sorry, but almost nobody can even begin to approach Calculus 2 before mastering Calculus 1.
Let me put some substance behind that. People with PTSD often find they cannot even begin to meditate. Their involuntary and highly disturbing PTSD symptoms will kick in sooner or later and disrupt meditation. Worse, the experience may sour the would-be practitioner forever. So it would be quite unskillful to try to get a PTSD sufferer to meditate without extensive support and backup, including the option to give up gracefully.
But what if I told you that psychotherapy based on Buddhist principles could cure many PTSD sufferers and put them in a position to begin practicing Dharma with a decent chance to get somewhere. Well, so far the psychological mindfulness folks have *not* found that their methods do anything more than help people to manage their PTSD symptoms -- they cannot by themselves cure PTSD. But (a) that might help enough for them to begin meditation; (b) that might also help some curative therapy such as EMDR or Cognitive-Behavioral Prolonged Exposure to succeed even better. In fact, some would contend that EMDR, which can cure PTSD all alone without explicit mindfulness practice, is itself based on Buddhist-like contemplative principles.
Would you then continue to put down contemporary mindfulness and/or a contemplatively-based therapy like EMDR simply because they are not full-bore Dharma? By the way, one of the often-noted effects of curing PTSD, especially with contemplatively-based, relatively gentle methods like EMDR, is that the sufferer once cured, is often motivated to go even further. Having once seen through a huge illusion -- that their trauma was still present and dangerous -- they can more readily imagine that there is an even bigger illusion -- the independent, inherently existing self -- that they might want to work on for even greater relief from suffering.
To every thing there is a season...
Well, I think that your "analysis" is pretty short sighted and shallow.
Given the vehemence of your promotion of EMDR you sound like one of its adherents who laid out a reasonable amount of cash to be 'certified' in it's pseudo-practice. Bye the way, EMDR is not based on Buddhist principles at all.
While I am not a scientist in the technical sense, nor am I an expert in buddhist thought, I would tend to disagree with the author on a couple of points.
First, that science and buddhism are incompatible, or that science is trying to turn buddhism into another of its branches. The point of buddhism, as far as I can see it, is to let go of preconceived notions and reactions and approach the world with equanimity. Scientific inquiry into meditation seems to be limited to observing and documenting the effects of this approach (i.e., reduced stress, improved overall health, etc.), which could be called a "reduction of suffering". I see no incompatibility, nor do I think there is a need to distance oneself from scientific inquiry. Truthfully, though I would (if asked) self-identify as buddhist, if any doctrine required the acceptance of supernatural phenomena, or the denial of skeptical reason, I would not incorporate said doctrine into my worldview.
Second, I would argue that science says nothing to contradict the idea that we, as sentient beings, are the ongoing result of processes based on earlier processes going back into the mists of time. As a matter of fact, it is science itself that seems to be suggesting there is nothing inherently "me" about me. As we understand the brain more and more, it would seem that what appears to be a "ghost in the machine" is simply an emergent property of the machine itself.
In other words, science is not trying to destroy the dhamma, nor is it trying to absorb it, and it seems slightly elitist to suggest that buddhism holds the ultimate truth which no other method can approach.
Just my $0.02CDN. I'll put on my flameproof-suit and await any replies.
Perhaps it is that using (or any construction of the little mind) to achieve enlightment would be like the dream trying to wake up the dreamer. It can't happen.
Jim Walker, (Son Hae)
Dharma Master, Il Bung Chan Buddhist Order,
Martial Arts Master, Korean National Martial Arts Order
Patriarchal successor of Dr Seo, Kyung-bo, 76th Zen Patriarch)
Jim Walker, are those all YOUR titles?
Hahaha. LOL I love how people profess themselves as "Masters" of Dharma when all you're doing is revealing the strength of your own EGO.
WAKE UP! But then again, how can one wake someone who is dreaming about a dream but believes (in his dream) that he is awake?
"It's about the Ego, stupid!"
There is a lovely video of the Dalai Lama answering the question, "...how do you see the outcome of these there works for both, Buddhism in the east, and the west world, in the future?" Many Thai Buddhists were present.
Here is the link: http://bestmeditationvideos.com/the-dalai-lama-on-science-and-religion/
Enjoy,
Jerome
I have seen the Dalai Lama answer questions about Buddhism from scientists by saying, "that is for Buddhists, that is not for our conversation today." He seems pretty clear that there are some aspects of Buddhism which can contribute to furthering scientific inquiry and there are some Buddhist elements which belong in another sphere.
Stimulating article nonetheless.
Thank you for this article. It has got me thinking. I recently reviewed over 150+ studies on mindfulness practices and anxiety, emotional regulation and neurological effects. I do believe the mindfulness practices are useful, but MBSR, MBCT, ACT are not Buddhism. I think of Buddhism as scientific in that I don't have accept anything on blind faith; I do the practice and learn from my experience, like an experiment. If the "path" yields the same results, repeatedly, is that not the scientific method? Is gaining knowledge about the world through repeatable process not the scientific method? That's now I think of buddhism as being compatible with science.
On a minor point, I think that being mindful that things are impermanent, versus judgemental, lowers my stress level. But here we would get into a quibble about the "value" and "emotional" aspects of the meaning of judgemental. I do think that some emotional umph that comes from seeing the "rotting flesh" side of life helps me over come my (emotional) attachment to the beautiful flesh side of life. That attachment has caused me a lot of stress, so having some different shorter term stress to see through the attachment and have less longer term stress works for me.
As long as we don't start shooting each other over our differences, we should be just fine. :-)
Thanks for the article.
"beautifully-written and typically provocative piece" indeed but thoroughly useless intellectual play for those who truly meditate. Basically... shut up and sit. The practice transforms you from within and sitting with any "goal", even enlightenment, is a form of "attachment". Buddhists and Yogis are quite happy that science is finally catching up to what the wise ones of the ages have known all along, not the other way around. Ultimately... who cares? If you are on the Path you don't need to justify it or use any outward system to rationalize it. Science's confirmation of the benefits of meditation may be a wonderful "bait" for many people to get started, and if nothing else but a less stressed humanity is the result... no complaints there!
Personally... years of meditation have persuaded me that to hate "this" in order to achieve "that" is the ultimate illusion... my lover may be a disgusting mess of bones and sinew and blood within, but boy, she is also gorgeous and hot... and then again, "disgusting" and "gorgeous" are just labels of the dualistic mind... after you sit enough... it just is what it Is. If the true goal is to overcome "samsara" and any attempt at well being is straying from the path, why do we wish all sentient beings to be peaceful and happy?
Mr Lopez should pour himself a drink and de-stress a bit... or meditate...
Thanks for this beautifully-written and typically provocative piece. Anyone who enjoyed this article really ought to buy the book (The Scientific Buddha) as well as Prof. Lopez's tour-de-force deconstruction of the Tibetan Book of the Dead. IMHO those two books and David McMahan's "The Making of Buddhist Modernism" are vitally important reading for anyone concerned with Buddhism in the west - and should be required reading for those who teach the Dharma.
Regarding Josh Korda's comments, while I concur that the ultimate goal of Theravada Buddhism is complete elimination of "stress" (as Thanissaro Bhikku translates dukkha), the tradition is just as full of harrowing stress-inducing discursive meditations as the Tibetan tradition (from the 5 Daily Reflections to contemplation of decomposing corpses in cemeteries). I think Lopez is quite right to make fun of the systematic watering down of the Dharma on the part of Jon Kabat-Zinn and his legion of imitators, for whom "stress reduction" basically means using meditative techniques as substitutes for pills. There's so much energy going into appropriating Buddhist methods in the service of having a smoother samsaric ride that the purpose of the teachings seems to be in danger of being forgotten.
It might be inconvenient that the Buddha taught and practiced jhana and knew nothing of "non-judgmental bare attention to the present moment," and even more inconvenient that he recalled his own past lives, taught karma and rebirth as experiential facts, prescribed rigorous commitment to morality as a precursor to meditation and recommended renouncing samsara rather than improving it. Prof. Lopez suggests we take a serious look at what the Buddha taught (and his critiique of society) on its own merits, rather than seeking to validate Buddhist teachings and techniques through oil-and-water mixtures with science and pop psychology. I appreciate the invitation.
I was very taken with this article. It says that both Buddhism and neuroscience must be twisted and deformed for the two to be considered two aspects of the same truth. First, they are expressed in two different languages: science has a specific jargon of its own which lacks equivalents in any language the Dharma is written in. How do you equate "compassion" with "activity in a certain area of the prefrontal lobe"? That is not to deprecate either science or Buddhism; I only wish to say, in the words of Stephen Jay Gould, that they occupy separate domains.
It is true that meditators generate physiological states that can be measured in various ways, but both the meditative techniques and the physiological outcomes can be separated from Buddhism. Better to leave religion out of it and make tests on meditators not associated with any tradition.
Second, Buddhism and science have different standards for truth. Science insists there is a clear, definable structure in the universe that may be uncovered by the scientific method. Buddhism regards truth as a subjective, experienced entity: Follow this prescription (The Four Noble Truths) and you will find relief from suffering. Science, on the other hand, offers its conclusions for all to see, but promises nothing in terms of subjective fulfillment of human goals.
Third, Buddhism is connected closely to culture. Basic teachings and practices differ greatly according to sect and country. That is not to say there are not commonalities, but differences are enormous. Science, on the other hand, seeks objective truth not influenced by culture. Water is made up of two parts hydrogen to one part oxygen in Tibet or Japan. That fact is open to anyone who wishes to challenge it unlike Buddhist teaching which is seen as undeniable and deserving of reverence.
Overall I enjoyed reading Lopez's perspective. However, it should be noted that the statement that stress reduction is not "the traditional goal of Buddhist meditation" is too globalizing, as it does not accurately reflect the 2,500 year old suttas of the Pali canon, which constitutes the core teachings of Theravada Buddhism and is considered to be the most complete early Buddhist canon (Peter Harvey of many).
The Buddha, in our texts, states that all of his teachings are towards the goal of ending of "dukkha" (which covers all manifestations of discomfort, from stress to suffering). For one example of many, take the foundational instructions for breath meditation laid out in the Anapanasati Sutta (MN 118): "One trains with the goal, 'I will breathe in calming the mind.' He trains himself, 'I will breathe out calming the mind.'
While there are other purposes for meditation in the Theravada beyond reducing stress—for the benefit of others, towards awakening, etc—stress reduction IS a valid traditional goal of Buddhist meditation.
Very helpful, Don. The last paragraph is very lovely. Thanks for this.
Wow, beautifully written, and the perfect answer to a question that has been bothering me for some time. Thankyou.