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Dharma Wars

What is it about the Internet that turns Buddhist teachers into bullies?

By Zenshin Michael Haederle

“There’s a lot more narcissism in the community than we would expect or hope,” he says. “It’s a bit paradoxical that in a philosophy emphasizing the transcendence of self, some people are very preoccupied with self.”

Online, as in the real world, this self-regard often seems to fuel unbridled aggression. Consider this exchange from James Ure’s The Buddhist Blog, in which a reader identified as Twisted Branch commented:

Your lack of knowledge of authentic Dhamma teaching is astounding. It’s amazing you even have the courage to call this the “Buddhist blog.” All this crap you ramble on about has absolutely nothing to do with Buddhism. Your blogs are far more offensive to Buddhist tradition than any off-hand use of the term Zen. Please study authentic Buddhist teachings before claiming knowledge of Buddhism.

Two hours later, Ure responded:

Twisted Branch: If you read in my profile I don’t claim to be a teacher. I’m just trying to make sense of things as best I can. I’m sorry that you find my blog offensive but I must say that you’re in the minority. Maybe you should use your blog to teach the Dhamma the way you understand it since you seem to know it all. Rather than come onto someone else’s blog and judge and insult them. Just a thought.

A few minutes later, Forest Wisdom chimed in:

Knowledge is one thing, and practice is wholly another. If someone who supposedly “knows” acts like a jerk, and someone who doesn’t “know” but makes every effort to practice responds with humbleness and respect (as I commend James for doing). . .Hmmmm, who are people going to listen to? I honestly and truly wish you peace, Twisted Branch, but please, get over yourself.

That afternoon, Twisted Branch was contrite.

Maybe I was a bit harsh, I am truly sorry for my offensive comments. Sometimes I get frustrated with the western understanding of Buddhism. I would use my blog to teach Dhamma, but it is not the place for teaching. I will no longer use this forum as a place to vent personal frustrations. Thanks also to forest wisdom for your wise perspective.

Twisted Branch had a point, though. In cyberspace, we can craft whatever persona we choose and call our blog whatever we want, and Buddhist bloggers often inflate their experience and understanding. Shinge Roko Sherry Chayat Roshi, a Zen teacher who serves as spiritual director of the Zen Center of Syracuse, likens this behavior to online personal ads, where people have been known to misrepresent themselves (to put it charitably).

“People who purportedly are teachers—whether they’ve been given transmission or not—are seen as Zen authorities online,” she says. “Sometimes students get swept into currents of basically malevolent speech. How can that be what the Buddha taught? I’m very concerned about it.”

“There’s something about the social distance that happens on the Web,” concurs James Ishmael Ford, a Zen teacher and blogger. “Anybody with a keyboard is instantly allowed to present whatever they’ve pulled out of their butt as if it were the dharma. There’s some ugly stuff out there. There’s massive misinformation, and there’s an amazing amount of ego wrapped in opinion.”

Not every Buddhist-themed website is a vehicle for vicious personal attacks, of course. Many teachers and sanghas have found the Internet to be an effective way to post text, video, or audio links to teachings that would otherwise be unavailable to people living far from practice centers. Examples include the online presence of John Daido Loori’s Mountains and Rivers Order; the pages of the Insight Meditation Society and the Spirit Rock Meditation Center; the Sravasti website of Venerable Thubten Chodron; and Shinge Roshi’s own Zen Center of Syracuse website. In most cases, these sites don’t solicit feedback, but when they do, participants more often see themselves as members of a community, and they may even know each other offline. The discourse accordingly tends to be civil and supportive.

Ken McLeod, a Los Angeles–based teacher, also manages to maintain a general sense of civility on the eight different websites connected with his Unfettered Mind organization, but he doesn’t overestimate the social potential of the Internet. “People don’t realize they’re relating to a machine,” says McLeod, who was one of the first to launch a social networking site for Buddhists. “Something pops up on their screen that offends them, and they scream at it.” He thinks people need to wake up and take charge of their interactions with a technology that can alienate as well as unite. “Use the tools that implement what we want them to do, not do what they want us to do,” McLeod urges.

Comments

Really

Us bloggers are less than Buddhist because we cuss, because we disagree or, God forbid we stick our thumb at the corporate dogs that milk the people who's only wish is to learn more about the Buddha Dharma?

Hey, if you all want rainbows and unicorns, Triycle is the place for you. its where no bad things happen to good buddhists. If you want to talk about how life can be so dirty, confusing and painful, the real world Buddhist bloggers is for you.

The choice is not as easy as you may think, but then again, suffering ain't a choice is it?

This is the same argument I have with some Christians

I come from a Christian background. When I used to get into difficulty in life, I was frequently given some trite answer like "I don't have enough faith" or that "I need to read my Bible more".

In their world, everything is sparkly and nice, and advancing your spiritual growth is as simple as buying the latest worship album.

Tricycle serves a specific market - there isn't anything wrong with that, and if that is the case, there is certainly nothing wrong with cussing, disagreeing, corporate thumb sticking bloggers in the real world, suffering with their very real lives.

No choice in the suffering maybe, but definately in how we deal with it. =)

Regards,

Frank
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Tricycle, on the other hand

hasn't exactly produced a critique of why Dennis Genpo Merzel's "Big MindTM" technique might be considered "controversal," although obviously anyone can search online as to why.

Warner's speech might be childish and ill-considered, but that doesn't mean there's not a valid criticism there.

There's much to criticize Warner for writing and saying and doing, but it doesn't mean his criticisms lack merit.

 

On the other hand, if anyone expects on-line Buddhists to be role models, well, that ain't the Buddhism I practice, even on line.

Idiot!

You drooling idiot, you moron, you fool, you've no clue what you're talking about...

(Just kidding.)

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The tributary streams flow through the darkness

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I don't know.  It ain't

I don't know.  It ain't pretty, but the history of Zen is filled with one teacher calling another bogus.  I think of Dogen writing about Dahui, or in more recent times the Korean Zen masters Kusan and SongChol trading barbs over the handful of mountains that separated them.  It's ugly, sure, and it's always been ugly, but it also probably helps keeps us all a bit more honest.  The internet just makes it more visible, like with Brad Warner taking shots at a Big Mind, and the author of this internet article taking thinly veiled shots at Brad in an article about how, ostensibly, we shouldn't take shots at each other on the internet.

I have to say that the thought of everyone needing to be a quiet little Buddhist is kinda scary (even though most of us do tend to just step around the dogshit since there's only so much time in the day).  You mean that merely claiming Dharma transmission online, for instance, should protect you from anyone even investigating those claims, to say nothing of being able to say whether or not they found those claims to be empty?  Or that if you re-package some New Age this-or-that and call it Buddhism, you should be above any scrutiny just because you called it "Buddhism"? 

Is this what we're calling Right Speech?

Vince Cousino Anila

James Ure and The Buddhist Blog

I am the author of "The Buddhist Blog" mentioned in the article and I would have hoped for the author to have contacted me before using my words. As well as ask me for a comment on his article. Anyway, I have never claimed to be a teacher, master, monk, rinpoche, ordained or enlightened. If you read in my profile it states that I'm just an average practitioner trying to travel the path on the middle way.

The reason I reacted to Twisted Branch was because of the aggressive manner in which he leveled his criticism. I don't mind criticism but since I'm not a Buddha or Bodhisattva I still get hurt when people I don't know attack me for being something that I am not. So of course I'd do what any red blooded person still struggling with samsara would do -- defend themselves and their blog. I have worked had to establish my blog as one of the top blogs addressing Buddhism today. That said this doesn't make me an expert but a kind of "Buddhist columnist." I don't appreciate being attacked and my integrity as a Buddhist questioned just like you probably wouldn't like it either.

We Buddhist bloggers are often attacked my mainstreat columnists for Buddhist magazines but what makes our columns any more controversial and misinformed that some of the ones I've read in these magazines? I've read editorials and articles in your magazine and in other places that are pretty out there. So this isn't just a blogosphere thing.

I titled my blog, "The Buddhist Blog" not because I think it is the last word on Buddhism but frankly because I couldn't think of anything else as a title!! I didn't realize that it was causing such a stir amongst people. I guess I should change it to "A Buddhist Blog" so as not to offend anyone but I have had that title since the beginning and changing it would only confuse my readers. I honestly didn't think it would be that big of a deal to people. Maybe I should put it to a vote on the blog. I try really hard to be a fair minded but passionate blogger and I try hard to write posts that show the peaceful side of Buddhism but I will defend myself when attacked. And being still human I will say some controversial things from time to time.

I feel as though you misrepresented my blog is adding this quote after the exchange between Twisted Branch and myself:

“People who purportedly are teachers—whether they’ve been given transmission or not—are seen as Zen authorities online,” she says. “Sometimes students get swept into currents of basically malevolent speech. How can that be what the Buddha taught? I’m very concerned about it.”

Again, I'm not purported to be a teacher. I go to great lengths to say this in many of my posts as people who regularly read my blog know. I can't be responsible if people consider me an authority because I don't claim such a title. I simply put forth what I'm thinking about on issues involving Buddhism. As well as how my practice is going, etc. "If ego is wrapped in opinion" which it might be to a degree then aren't you just as guilty as you claim some of us bloggers are? We're not Bodhisattvas in the Buddhosblogosphere -- we're just average folks trying to figure out the Dharma in our day to day lives. We don't always represent the Dharma best but then again neither do many who write in your magazine and other Buddhist magazines. We all just try to do our best.

Again, I really hoped that you would have contacted me for a response given that you mentioned me and that exchange in your article. You didn't even contact me to tell me I was being mentioned. I would have expected more from your magazine.

The good heart is the way...

“Be kind whenever possible. It is always possible.” Dalai Lama

Surely if you are considering posting a critical comment, why not first meditate on it and then refine your statement so that it will not be percieved as a personal criticism?

Also, I would say that If you consider or present yourself as a Buddhist then it is most important to act as a role model - leadership is always by example.

I feel as though you

I feel as though you misrepresented my blog is adding this quote after the exchange between Twisted Branch and myself sci-fi movie downloads

well ...........

In my search to understand Buddhism, I've read alot of things.  Some great information, some ridiculously flowery speech that I couldn't understand and some absolute garbage.  In Warner's first book, he mentioned "questioning authority" including himself.  Wise words though I wouldn't call them humble.  As far as these warring personalities,  His Holiness (yeah, that guy) says in one of his books:  My enemy is my greatest teacher.  I DON'T understand the middle way yet though I hope to at some point, but when it's put that simply even I get it.

(The act of) Compassion benefits the practitioner most .........

Thanks for the moment

RE

I have to agree with you

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